nerdstrike 186 Report post Posted March 24, 2017 ... but I might get a window next weekend. Thanks for all the recommendations! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ade 517 Report post Posted March 24, 2017 Silent coat is good stuff. There are 3 aspects to sound deadening/insulation: 1) kill panel resonance, or lower the resonant frequency. CDL such as dynamat and silent coat are good examples. They add weight to the panel and essential to get a decent mid/bass range punch with out the mids sound like they are pitchy. 2) break up airborn resonance - Acoustic foam does this. Looks like egg box foam. 3) A sound barrier to stop noise getting though. Closed cell fom is a light option for doing this, but mass loaded vinal is the daddy but it heavy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThatGuyThere 54 Report post Posted March 24, 2017 1 hour ago, S18 RSG said: This is what I went with @Rich https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00NVF9OIA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 It's very lightweight (I think under 2kg for all 10 sheets) and did a great job on mine. It was recommended to me by a local audio specialist who uses it for lightweight installs. Thanks. Just bought this, and the focal speakers I'll hold off on the HU for now. 1 S18 RSG reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benmmellor 44 Report post Posted March 24, 2017 41 minutes ago, don said: Let us know how you get on. Considering this myself! Don - they are a piece of piss to fit. Takes about 20 minutes per door, tweeters take a little more patience and a trim removal kit to do it carefully. Could probably find time to help you do it as you're not a million miles away from me if you need help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Max Butler 2 Report post Posted March 24, 2017 Whats the sound actually like from the focal speakers you guys have linked for £129 curious to upgrade mine as it really is poor in my GT86 so I normally just leave them off when driving Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benmmellor 44 Report post Posted March 25, 2017 They are a big improvement over the stock speakers - definitely able to hear a difference from the tweeters! They would probably benefit from a headunit upgrade and some sound deadening in the doors to maximise the effect. I've got sound deadening stuff - just not fitted mine yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S18 RSG 429 Report post Posted March 25, 2017 Don't expect the speakers alone to blow your mind. They're an upgrade, but frankly, anything is an upgrade over the stock speakers (anyone who's had them out will know what i mean). Audio is so much more than just the speakers. Take a good set of headphones and plug them into your phone, then plug them into a good amplifier/DAC and compare the difference, it's night and day. Same thing with car audio. Even the best speakers with the best head unit will be held back by lack of sound deadening. And even the best speakers with great sound deadening on a stock head unit will be held back by the head unit. In order to get a really notable improvement, you need to upgrade everything. That's not to say you need to spend £1000+ for good audio. I spent £400 and my setup is miles better than stock. The most important thing to remember, is not to neglect any aspect of the setup. The headunit is the least important upgrade imo, but combined with good speakers and sound deadening, there's a notable increase when you upgrade it also. If you do buy the speakers and some sound deadening, you'll surely notice a good increase, but if you still feel disappointed, just start looking into head units Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrey86 352 Report post Posted March 25, 2017 I'm tempted by the Focals, but car audio is a very slippery slope! I ended up with full install in my old Civic Type R, which took lots of fiddling to get spot on, and I was forever chasing new rattles through the car. Properly sound-deadening and sealing the front doors as much as possible is key to good mid-bass. 1 Ade reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rich 378 Report post Posted March 27, 2017 On 24/03/2017 at 11:34 AM, Ade said: @Rich if you wait a few more weeks, I will have some info on lightweight weight damping/deadening....both doors and car.... Did a bit of reading - thinking front footwells, doors, rear seat back/base with MLV and closed cell foam might be the way to go. This sound about right? Would add about 15 kg, mostly from the MLV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ade 517 Report post Posted March 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Rich said: Did a bit of reading - thinking front footwells, doors, rear seat back/base with MLV and closed cell foam might be the way to go. This sound about right? Would add about 15 kg, mostly from the MLV. Cant be very dense MLV is it that light! Main source of sound in the cabin is the rear wheel arches and doors. If you pop the rear plastic panels off its a nice tin can camber in there. I'm still in the middle of my audio install (most of the cabin has been out ) but will do a thread once its done. I've only added sound deadening to the rear aches, boot and doors and it a decent improvement. Makes the car feel a bit more refined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rich 378 Report post Posted March 27, 2017 5kg/m2 stuff, I just budgetted for not too much of it! Probably worth throwing in some silent coat or similar to load the doors up a bit too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ade 517 Report post Posted March 27, 2017 26 minutes ago, Rich said: 5kg/m2 stuff, I just budgetted for not too much of it! Probably worth throwing in some silent coat or similar to load the doors up a bit too. 5kg stuff is decent enough. Make sure its decoupled with foam. The decent ones come with a faom backing for decoupling but, the cheaper "MLV" is jsut the dense vinyl. I didnt use any of it in my GT86. 1 Rich reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdstrike 186 Report post Posted March 27, 2017 Can anyone identify an adaptor mount if you choose not to go with Focal's drop-in fitment? There is a fairly common Toyota three-point mount but sadly the internet has not noticed the GT86. It seems there's a minor wiring issue with a passthrough on the tweeters to worry about as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ade 517 Report post Posted March 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, nerdstrike said: Can anyone identify an adaptor mount if you choose not to go with Focal's drop-in fitment? There is a fairly common Toyota three-point mount but sadly the internet has not noticed the GT86. It seems there's a minor wiring issue with a passthrough on the tweeters to worry about as well. CT25TY02 is a direct fit I believe. Someone on the other side used them and confirmed his Hertz HSK 165 went straight in with those. 1 nerdstrike reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rich 378 Report post Posted March 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Ade said: 5kg stuff is decent enough. Make sure its decoupled with foam. The decent ones come with a faom backing for decoupling but, the cheaper "MLV" is jsut the dense vinyl. I didnt use any of it in my GT86. I was intending to save cash by buying separate foam and MLV; MLV is £12/m², 6mm closed cell foam is £10/m², the combined stuff is more like £60/m². A five quid can of spray adhesive and I have the same stuff for less than half the price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benmmellor 44 Report post Posted March 27, 2017 26 minutes ago, Ade said: CT25TY02 is a direct fit I believe. Someone on the other side used them and confirmed his Hertz HSK 165 went straight in with those. also get some toyota speaker adapter cables to save having to chop off the stock speaker connector PC2-824 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toyota-Aygo-Speaker-Adaptor-Plug-Leads-Cable-Connectors-Pair-PC2-824-/161099909243?hash=item25824d887b:g:E5YAAOSwYIxX4SbJ 1 nerdstrike reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThatGuyThere 54 Report post Posted March 27, 2017 1 hour ago, nerdstrike said: Can anyone identify an adaptor mount if you choose not to go with Focal's drop-in fitment? There is a fairly common Toyota three-point mount but sadly the internet has not noticed the GT86. It seems there's a minor wiring issue with a passthrough on the tweeters to worry about as well. Closest I saw was a product from Australia, which provided the mounts, and wiring connections to deal with the pass-through. By the time you've got the speakers, mounts, wiring connectors - it seemed to me that £130 for a simple-swap and good quality speakers was worth it. Which alternative speakers are you considering? To be fair - even £30 ones would be a lot better than stock - but you need the tweeters too! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdstrike 186 Report post Posted March 27, 2017 I was looking at some thoroughly unnecessary kevlar weave cones. 1 ThatGuyThere reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam9 37 Report post Posted March 27, 2017 Unless you are installing an amp and/or running new speaker cables I would just go with the Focals, the way the standard audio system runs the stock speakers in parallel renders the stock wiring pretty unusable for aftermarket speakers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
