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Got this off the site. Can I Spray Water Methanol Injection Through My Eaton Supercharger? Every week and almost daily were asked this or similar questions by customers. It's a reasonable and understandable concern for those who are running an Eaton supercharger or any of the other positive displacement superchargers such as the Kenne Bell, Magnacharger, Whipple, Edelbrock etc. as the water methanol injection will be sprayed directly into the inlet of the supercharger and through its rotors. Read below as we answer the many questions asked regarding spraying water methanol injection through positive displacement superchargers. Is it safe to spray water methanol injection through my supercharger? Yes, its safe to spray water methanol injection through your supercharger. We have set up hundreds of systems for customers over the years who are doing just this. Furthermore, you can find countless others on the internet who are doing the same with competitors systems. Spraying through the supercharger is extremely effective way of cooling off the supercharger and its rotors and housing. So much that if you are familiar with how hot your supercharger is after shutting of the car just after normal driving. If you ever get the opportunity to watch your car dynoed in person. After they finish a pull. Walk over and cautiously place your hand on the supercharger. It will feel warm to the touch and sometimes almost cool. Where as without the water methanol injection, you wouldn't be able to touch it! I have found this to be a quick and easy way to tell if the water methanol injection has fired off during a run on the dyno before waiting for the data to display on the dyno's computer showing air temps. Try it out for yourself and you'll be surprised how cool your supercharger feels with water methanol injection. Will it hurt the bearings on my supercharger? No, the water methanol injection will not hurt your bearings. We have customers who have been running water methanol injection through their positive displacement superchargers, on daily drivers, for years without any issues. While we can not see inside the supercharger while the methanol is spraying. We can tell from looking at other information and signs. It appears the majority or entirety of the water methanol injection is flashing off instantly once it comes in contact with the hot rotor pack and housing. The water methanol injection is short lived and evaporates to quickly to make its way back and into the bearings. Will it pit or corrode my supercharger? No, spraying water methanol injection will not pit or corrode your supercharger. While it's a reasonable and understandable question since the supercharger rotors and housing are made of aluminum. The methanol is too shorted lived and evaporates immediately before it is allowed time to effect the aluminum surfaces. Unlike if you store methanol in a aluminum container where over a period of days and weeks it will eventually corrode and pit the aluminum. Will it effect the coating on my supercharger? Yes when 70% Methanol is used, It has not proven detrimental or effected the performance of the supercharger. This coating is designed to wear and will eventually deteriorate over time regardless if water methanol injection is used.

Devils, Snow, Aquamist etc with various tuners have done tests and found that there is no sign of any extra wear on the coatings until mixtures of over 70% meth. This coating is designed to wear and will gradually deteriorate over time with or with out methanol injection. I run 50 methanol 50 water. Best result combi

Making a hole on the pressure side is no issue as it's threaded and nice and tight, that's how all turbo applications are done, but I'm not turbo'd

These are just a small selection of pics that Devilsown have done over that last few years, all these cars are running 550-700bhp (making mine and most GT86 set ups seem small fry) and none have had problems and made some great results from 25-30whp with no map adjustments. Obviously that's big power outputs and I'm not saying I have the say from injection alone. As for other set ups why! Its over kill. I get results so do the above on a simple and easy set up. And from Steve's pic the is no difference to mine. Its just after the throttle body and I'm before. My spray does the exact thing. Moving sensors and messing with other stuff of my abbey s.c set up is a no no. I just wanted to complement it not change it. As for damage to the laminova no one mentioned how you think this will happen. All liquid turns to air form instantly so it flows right through like it wasn't there Griffin nice video and explains it all. Even state fitted to the intake system. Just like I have and 95% of all other users. All I'm saying is devils own don't pay me to rate them like abbey doesn't but I'd literally have it out with anyone that bad months their work as you all know. I'm talking from my real world real time experience. But as I stated my initial post was a first drive review not a I told you so! I even stated abbey would have the car so . but you still asked for numbers? Instead on jumping on it you should wait if you read it properly. I'm not stubborn I'm passionate and I'm only Willi g to take cons with pros! Simple. Its all be negative from other members. What happened to well done James for having the balls to do it or wow those temps look great then say why not put the nozzle here or have you thought of this? All I can say really. Its obvious people are very interested as you can see the benefits, especially If you track the car a lot or hard road. Personally I want it in as a fancy the cooler temps all the time.

The nozzle is fitted pre charger to help cool the charger to lower heat that is conducted to the Laminova and engine (as I found out how much everything was cooler to touch), by keeping the charger cooler and the air coming out it stops the Laminova from heating up so much, which being filled with water is harder to cool back down once the water is hot. Also because the IAT sensor is mounted right on the start of the inlet and the design of the charger set up realistically the there isn't room to mount the nozzle after the charger but before the IAT and to get a good to perfect distribution the option would be direct port but then the ECU wont see the cooler temps without moving it, but you would still want to inject pre charger for the above gains which have already been seen on the reduced temps with more to come with fine tuning and that set up is really overkill for this sort of power/set up and use. This set up is used the world over on so many cars and our cars as we have seen on the other cars in the states and their tuners. Keelerad how's de nose. ; )

Yes and hundreds of other s.c jay. Yourcsayimg the authorityon this subject in the u.k is wrong. Very funny Lol like saying mark or Adrian don't know where an engine is.

Its not the right place. Trust me. Pre charger is better. What more do you want where never I mount my nozzle whether it be under my wheel arch I've almost halved our air inlet temps decreased my oil temps by over 5 degrees. It works where it is ; ) where its mounted now the ECU reads the colder temps fine as you can see. Omg really its like leading the blind. I see the temps I feel it. I probably ran the car harder than I've ever done. Would be no different to track. Jeez I will just enjoy it and leave you guys to your own views. As for my credibility ask the queen ; )

Hard data to follow but im obviously running colder so = better in every way. How will it contaminate the charger oil its a sealed unit and the other side of the screw's so not a chance ; ) my placement of nozzle is exactly the same as your pic Steve only its after the throttle body Lol no difference what so ever. End of the day mate I took a risk and I'm reaping the benefits. Go out for a drive and see if you can get temps even 15degrees close to mine. Mark is tuning my car again and we will see then. I know you are trying to fault what I've done mate and I welcome all views but its futile as how can you. Ok a lost 10 ltrs of boot space and I got to refill my tank but that's nothing for the results I get and could get. The charger and engine is not under anymore strain than normal as it still runs normal mapped parameters. If anything it runs better as its colder and the car gives me full power all the time even on track lap after lap. : ) Yes it's done off a gauge but with 15-25 degree lower temp how can you argue with that. Saver more efficient motor. With the heats generated within the charger and engine all liquids are evaporated immediately. Water is natural to the engine as rain water particles and damp air flow in as per normal day to day driving, the meth is just acting like extra higher grade fuel for a higher octane so both natural to engines. The big questions you want to ask is why does top world drag racers, time attack cars top drift teams run the system? Yes I'm not running even 20% of some of their out puts but why is our engine any different? Works for them works for me. Top tuners know what this stuff does and the benefits. Ask them.

I ran the car days before and got average temps by what I saw with normal driving prior meth install. The peaks where full throttle numbers. Normal driving. The average temps with meth install where full throttle and completely trying to raise temps. Smashing it.Peaks like wise. So average is what I saw the most. Peak was most a saw that day. As you can see the kit works very well. As for the nozzle placing we researched in to it and found the guys in America mount it same place and even Bruce who is a euro vet on the stuff said that's the perfect place. As for effects of intercooler Bruce assured me it won't effect anything just makes the engine better in every way. Within seconds of the meth injecting its already ivaporated to soak out the heat and up the octane whilst steam cleaning the engine. But honestly if some thing was wrong Steve I would of known about it the way I ran her today on initial testing. I tried my hardest to get my peaks up. They did but droped rapidly back to average low temps. She pulled better than ever with no loss of power. Safer temps more octane cleaner engine and no loss in power due to heat soak. I backed the kit before but after today I'm speechless. Remember its not even mapped yet and loves the standard s.c tune. I'm so confident I'm willing to do 3-5 consecutive power runs with another s.c car or turbo to see not what the power figures are but who keep consistent first run powers numbers throughout. We all know you loose power the hotter you are. Just a thought but personally I'm happy and have nothing to prove but if people need this as a eye opener I will. Also Steve that nozzle is directly in the metal, expensive if you want to sell your charger. With intake its only plastic and I'm sure sprintex does spares. Even rob admitted to me his temps where similar to mine before mid 50s average and when he floored it he hit 68-69 degrees. I'm sure yours is the same mate, do you have a p3 gaugevor a standalone air gauge? Steve that pic is of a dark or black car doesn't happen to be yours mate ; ) running meth....

Good job. Bet your uber excited ; )

Yeah but you need a lot of power to break one. Smudge get one lol

Ok so I will tell Phil the 13th of sept unless there is any objections? ; ) nail day mini golf day Thomas and friends day come on our with it!!! Hehehe

Who Phil... He all over it like a car bonnet!! Quick draw magraw...

That bloke has so mad chi yo!!! He would cream any of us that's for sure

I'd say its on par with a stage two. Stage 3 is another story bit more grunt. But again rob your s.c car has out driven and smoked all turbos on track Barr Adrian's. But that don't count.. Race car ; )

I find the best way is to put on a protective coat. Normal waxes don't do squat from stuff like that. I've used armourall shield and dirt birds poo etc just wipes off on washed. Very good product I also use conventional wax on different days

Rob you will have to look at mine when I see you. Can't tell. But when wet the squeak bro

Omg so many dates Lol confused .com lol Ok another attempt sept 13th???

The 9th is my devils own injection install mate. Can maybe do TSS bro. Sept 6th is the new date for tints and decals. Salisbury. With a great drive around historical Salisbury

Bugger. Look guys I can't please everyone. So to that fact if everyone puts in a exact date for august the date with the most hits wins!!! Weekends only folks

Ok ok how's Saturday 16th!!!!

Robs to good a driver man. Think he could do me stock on track ; ) but then I'd get a tank and stop him haha

Push her mark. She will run. ; ) should I go 69mm? Or wait?

Yes but that's not only manifold, smaller pulley and not sure if he had a 200 cell cat or full delete mate. 230-240 is healthy. I'm hoping for 240ish.. Let's see.