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I originally planned to have a base map from abbey then drive down there on the base map for tuning, in the original email Mark stated that he would send me a base map 'rev limited for safety'. Due to the nature of my work, and the busyness of Mark, we struggled to get a date set. I'd have been looking into July before I could get down and he could be free. The kit arrived with me in January, so I've been sitting on it for a while. Impatience, excitement and the fact it was my birthday this time home led to me saying fuck it, just get it fitted. With that in mind and the 'rev limited for safety' still in my mind, I believed my only real option to get a full map on the car was to look stateside. Its pretty obvious americans in general have more experience with the frs/brz/gt86 due to the american aftermarket scene, and Delicious tuning looked to have a really good map that did what it says on the tin, so I placed the order to get me by until I can get down south. Doing it this way also saved me about 3 days of my time - I live in North east scotland so its a days drive, days mapping, and a days drive back home. Mark read that I had ordered the Delicious kit and informed me that he did have a pretty good basemap that would work for me etc, it was too late to cancel the Delicious order as it was already in customs at this point. So I will head down during the summer for injectors, pump, IAT sensor and dyno tuning, until then I will continue with the flash and go map as it works well. Oil wise I stayed with the 0w-20 (Millers CFS 0w-20 NT) for 2 reasons: 1) I have a large 19 row oil cooler directly in air flow for cooling purposes so unless I see temps going too high then I will stick with it 2) I live in a cold area, this is 'stock' spec and I prefer oils that don't have large gaps between the numbers. I will go to 0w-30 if need be, I change oil every 4k or so anyways. Fuel pump I haven't measured and unsure if it is a parameter that can be logged - will have to check. Tips - long magnet and 13mm drill bit for the IC bracket. Top the header tank for traction fluid right up prior to starting car, as soon as the car starts it sucks a lot of the guild down and you need to top up again (I have used the whole bottle)
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So the kit has been on now for 1 week with the delicious tuning map. Happy, really happy with the kit in base form, the car feels very powerful and screams its way through the revs, although I can feel the power dropping from 6800rpm or so, this is confirmed with datalogs showing that the intake cam timing is reduced at high revs from delicious, this is an 'advanced base map' designed for many forms of forced induction so they have built in a bit of protection at high revs I guess. You can also see it on 'engine load' Boost pressure on the 39mm restrictor peaks at 0.55bar (8psi) at 6000rpm and then drops down to 0.38bar (5.5 psi) by about 7000rpm and holds around that to the limiter. 3000rpm = 0.17 bar / 2.5psi 4000rpm = 0.31 bar / 4.5psi 5000rpm = 0.45 bar / 6.5psi 6000rpm = 0.55 bar / 8.0psi 7000rpm = 0.38 bar / 5.5psi Cam timing plays a big part in boost pressures when supercharged, so different tuners may get slightly different boost pressures with the same kit. You can see that the restrictor really starts choking flow from 6000rpm. PI injection is only at 35% duty cycle at 6500rpm so this lets me know that there is plenty left in the fuel system to open up the restrictor a touch and go from there. The tune isn't without its issues though, the only gripe I have is during the warm up. Unless you absolutely nanny it when cold, due to the way the map is set up with regards to how much they ask of the cam timing, unless the oil temperature is up to temp, the car will go rich in certain conditions which causes false knock, this in turn is dropping the Advance Multiplier down which reduces ignition timing when you do put your foot down when the engine gets up to temp. There are no fault codes come up or anything like that, but unless the car is babied during warm up I will need to reset the ecu or wait until the car learns that there is no knock and it fixes itself. This is an annoying issue with Delicious are aware about and are currently working on a fix. I'd still prefer to have the car mapped and supported in the UK, which is why I will make the trip down to Abbey eventually. The flash and go was and is convenient and I have had no gripes with Delicious, infact I've only had very good customer service.
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GT86Jay's HKS Version 2 Supercharger Install / Mod Thread
Lee replied to GT86Jay's topic in Projects & Builds
Harrop TVS - similar to cosworth but uses the larger blower - TVS1320 vs the TVS900 on cosworth http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78648- 88 replies
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Bumper went back on after I took that picture, I relocated the temp sensor and horn to where your oil cooler is
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GT86Jay's HKS Version 2 Supercharger Install / Mod Thread
Lee replied to GT86Jay's topic in Projects & Builds
Excellent- 88 replies
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Got the rest of the kit fitted today as well as the oil cooler, just waiting on oil to arrive so there is some fresh stuff in it and also the ecutek - Mark had offered a base map for me but the order with delicious was already on route so couldn't cancel, I'll head south to get the restrictor opened, injectors etc in the summer time. In the mean time here are a couple pics - I managed to get the oil cooler installed alongside the IC which also meant much shorter oil lines so I'm happy with how that turned out, not so happy about how I've had to place the traction fluid cooler though but it will still work there. Oil cooler barely visible
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GT86Jay's HKS Version 2 Supercharger Install / Mod Thread
Lee replied to GT86Jay's topic in Projects & Builds
Enough for a change and top ups, service life of 50k (rotrex version is anyway) so it's not that bad- 88 replies
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GT86Jay's HKS Version 2 Supercharger Install / Mod Thread
Lee replied to GT86Jay's topic in Projects & Builds
I started fitting mine yesterday: Yes it is necessary T piece is supplied with the kit I guess he was an about the belt tensioner pulley bracket, I cut mine with w hacksaw then filed it down, came out neat. Everything is supplied with the kit, handy items are a flexible magnet, a decent set of small long nose pliers - it's a ball ache getting some of the clips on - crank breather especially. I'm not at the bleeding stage yet, I'm going to fill the fluid up last just incase I need to remove any parts again Parts mentioned earlier, I'm doing mine alone on the floor, have a sore back today but it's doable yes. I found the instructions a PITA, it would be good to have someone there who has done it before for efficiency. I was constantly removing, modifying, fitting then a couple pages later you remove again, as it didn't actually tell you to fit the part again but a picture shows it fitted.- 88 replies
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Made a bit of progress today, will continue tomorrow. I'm mounting the traction fluid cooler behind the intercooler and having the engine oil cooler on the other side of the IC.
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Mishimoto is 19 row, I'm pretty sure it should be able to squeeze in somewhere, whether it means changing the location of the traction fluid cooler or whatever.
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I best order some extra length of hose + fittings then
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The HKS intercooler doesn't cover the full opening of the front grill, so I will hopefully be able to mount the oil cooler to the 'passenger' side of that, if not I will make it fit in somewhere. Exciting - which one you got?
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I've ordered a flash and go tune from delicious tuning in the states, a omni 3 bar map sensor from fensport, and a mishimoto thermostatic oil cooler from partbox. Plan to fit my supercharger plus all the other bits I have laying around on Monday 4th may. SPL rear camber arms Whiteline camber bolts Sti guerney flap Trd canards Whiteline roll centre adjustment bushes RacersX baffled sump Hks v2 supercharger Should be a different car altogether after that
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Who is Maz? He on here? Thread /any video of his car?
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No welding required. Abbey advise an IAT sensor to be installed with the kit (separate) which needs to be welded into the pipe pre TB., alternator bracket needs cut and something else does as far as I think. I'm going to instal mine on May 4th so will take pictures along the way.
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two completely different power deliveries, do you want a wave of torque or a more peaky always rising torque curve? With both at the same power level for arguements sake (although I think hks peak is higher in base form) the cosworth set up will be faster throughout the range and also feel faster due to the way the TVS supercharger delivers the power. That said - I have the HKS v2 kit as I think that the peaky delivery will suit the nature of the car, plus I also think it will be easier to control when you start upping the power.
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Tacked in place yet?
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Boost in sprintex / any other supercharged application is controlled by pulley size, there is nothing in the system to bleed off boost pressure to the 'target' so it possible to see slight changes in supercharged applications. As I said earlier with a turbo the wastegate controls the boost pressure. Dave - have you checked for something as simple as a boost leak? 0.3 bar isnt an insignificant amount of air to lose.
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^ Yep, thats to do with the density of the air though, not the pressure. Daveb specifically mentioned more boost, which makes me assume he has a way of measuring it. The wastegate is what controls the boost, and doesnt really care about the density of the air it is 'boosting'. If the car is driving at high altitude, the turbo just spins faster (as wastegate doesnt open as early) to achieve the set boost pressure, whether thats just the spring in the wastegate or by EBC it doesnt really matter. At lower altitudes because the air is denser it requires less work from the turbo to reach the set boost level, the turbo spins slower. So density shouldnt effect boost pressure. Unless the turbo is running flat out the above should be true.
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Everything on OR sport mode OR traction control off
Lee replied to trashy's topic in GT86/BRZ General Chat
I also had 2 dc2's -
Density changes but pressure should remain constant
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It shouldn't - how much more boost are we talking? Do you have an electronic boost controller or is boost controlled just by wastegate spring / manual boost controller?
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I've had the SC since January, not fitted yet but hopefully this time home. It would be nice to add 100hp to the car for my birthday Getting a date for mapping that works for me and abbey is proving a bit difficult though since Mark is so busy and the nature of my job. I may order a 'Flash and Go' tune from delicious tuning across the pond to tide me by till I can get down to Abbey.
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Its the way the dyno loads up that makes it look like that. Dastek dynos always seem to show a poorer low end than other dynos.
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No need for octane booster. 1. You get super unleaded in europe 2. The car can run on 95 without issue.